Again on ‘Compensated Signs’ from my book ‘CIRO DISCEPOLO’S BLOG PART VII’.
By Ciro Discepolo.
Friday, February 10, 2012.
Marco Celada left a new comment on your post “Astrology Essays: Il Posto Delle Fragole (Italian)”:
Ciro,
can you give us your correct definition of a ‘compensated sign’? Thanks.
Marco
Yes, Marco,
you can use the following explanation. I remind everyone that every single line of this blog (even if it appears on other web spaces) is subject to copyright and may not be reproduced elsewhere without my prior permission. Best regards, everyone.
Compensated Signs.
The twelve typologies you are about to read refer to the fundamental archetypes of each sign. The following pages explain a concept that is best reiterated here and brought to the reader’s attention. Each sign is dotted with one or more key words, or refers to one or more basic symbols that can be experienced for what they represent or for their opposite. For example, one of Leo’s key words is generosity, but this means that in everyday life you can find both exceptionally generous Leos and, conversely, absolutely selfish representatives of this sign.
Practice will teach you to distinguish, and above all, a careful examination of all the values contained in a birth chart will lead you to the precise deciphering of the archetypes contained in a horoscope. Rather than signs, you should talk about axes and their dialectics in opposition. Indeed, one cannot speak of Cancer without bringing up the Capricornian rigidity that so often characterizes those born in the fourth sign of the Zodiac. In other words, there is a compensation whereby a Virgo tends to behave more according to the values of a Pisces than for herself, and this applies, to a greater or lesser extent, to all signs. Therefore, carefully study the characteristics of each sign and its opposite, and learn to discover the behavioral similarities between them. You’ll be convinced that there are Cancers and Capricorns who are extremely ambitious or extremely humble, Virgos and Pisces who are extremely orderly or extremely chaotic, Geminis and Sagittariuses who are extremely superficial or extremely profound, and so on. Thus, when it is said that the heart is a key organ of Leo, this should be understood both positively and negatively. This could mean, for example, for a Leo, that a very strong heart will save their life numerous times, only to be struck down by a heart attack. Be careful, then, to learn to read the contradictory dualism inherent in each sign and to recognize the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde sides hidden in every thirty degrees. These two halves sometimes live separately, at different stages of life, and other times even simultaneously. Thus, for a Virgo, for example, we might experience a strong mental order (a constant tendency to catalog, schematize, set deadlines) and a corresponding physical disorder (poor space management in one’s room or on one’s desk, etc.). The reason for this “compensatory mechanism” is not entirely clear, but we can advance a hypothesis: the individual senses that the fundamental prerogatives of their sign are also their greatest limitation and does everything to behave in a manner contrary to their basic inclinations.
However, I urge you not to trivialize what I just wrote by commenting, “Well, it’s the law of Yin and Yang, which has always been known…” No, it’s something much more clear-cut. A balanced Libra won’t act in an “alternating current,” a little like a Libra and a little like an Aries, but will be, in every aspect of their life, an “unleashed fury,” even “blinded” by a very strong, subjective sense of justice, which will drive them to leave the house with a dagger in their mouth and ready to go to war many times throughout the day.
Many have asked me, over the past decades, how an astrologer can tell whether someone is compensated or not. If he relies solely on the birth chart of the person being analyzed, he will have a hard time determining this. But if, knowing Robert or Julie’s sun sign, he observes them for a few minutes, with due attention, he can immediately tell whether they are of the classic or compensated type.
Ciro Discepolo.
February 10, 2012.
Dear Ciro,
My daughter was born yesterday, and I am thrilled!
Her details are as follows:
12 October 2025 at 11:17 a.m.
Catania
I would like to know what to guide her towards and understand how Saturn and Neptune will manifest in the fourth house.
Can we define Venus as dominant with Saturn?
Does Mercury in Scorpio promise a brilliant intellect?
What positions need to be exorcised?
Thank you as always.
Dear Alberto, your daughter is a Venusian-Saturnine, with a Neptune undertone and a lively intelligence. Music, art, but also tourism and cooking could be her main targets. Best wishes to you and Mom!
P.S. With a good “guide” (“Active Astrology” by Ciro Discepolo, not Gianni & Pinotto), your daughter will be able to magnificently exorcise the dual positions of Saturn and Neptune in the fourth House! (I, for example, also have Neptune in the fourth House and exorcised it very well, even at a young age: at 22, I completely changed my life and switched from university studies in physics to the wonderful study of astrology. Furthermore, we all notice that she has already begun exorcising her Neptune in the fourth House, since her father forgot to mention, in this post, that her name is Olivia!).
Dear Ciro,
Thank you very much for your explanation
You’re always the best !
Un abbraccio grande
Good morning Ciro, I’m Rose, I’d like to ask you some questions about a cosmetic and health procedure (surgery).
1. My first question concerns the bistable effect of Jupiter. In the current RSM I have Jupiter in the First House, but since last year I had Venus and the Moon in the Sixth House, I’m afraid that this year Jupiter in the First House might have a negative bistable effect on my health. Could the surgery I plan to undergo therefore turn out to be harmful to my health even though I have Jupiter in the First House in this year’s Solar Return chart?
Thank you for your enlightened opinion.
Rose
Dear Rosina,
The topic of surgical operations and the help we can get from the stars to schedule a suitable surgery date is important and is one of the central themes of my book, “Astrologia Elettiva.” From the way you phrased this question, I sense you haven’t read it, and I recommend you do so to avoid unnecessary repetition for those who have already studied it.
However, we must immediately correct an incorrect statement: you ask me if Jupiter in the first, due to its bistable effect, can signify health problems. Jupiter can have a bistable effect only in the second, seventh, and eighth Houses. So, perhaps, since you write this, it would be better if you start with the ABCs of Active Astrology by studying one of the fundamental books, “Transits and Solar Returns.”
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Hi Ciro,
I’m writing to you again to ask for advice on my partner’s SR. I’ve identified two locations: Astana, Kazakhstan, or San Bernardino, California. In San Bernardino, he would have a stellium in the 7th house; I don’t like it very much. What do you recommend? January 25, 1964, 12:10 AM Perugia. Hugs.
Silvia, they are both good and both illustrate a possible danger in the relationship which, however, could also mean that you will open a restaurant… If it were up to me, I would choose Jupiter on the Ascendant.
Good morning Ciro,
I forgot to tell you that he’s supposed to move the pharmacy he owns, so maybe that’s why you’re telling me he’s going to open a restaurant?! So, the stellium in the 7th house indicates the opening of a new pharmacy location? Obviously, choosing San Bernardino (California). He was born on January 25, 1964, at 12:10 AM in Perugia. Hugs.
Silvia, I was saying this with your restaurant in mind, not his. I said this because I’ve recently seen many of your social media posts in which you demonstrate a great talent for cooking, and therefore, that ASR with the stellium in the seventh House could mean that you, and not him, will open a restaurant.
Of course, it could also refer to legal action to relocate his pharmacy.
Best wishes.
Ok thank you Ciro, I read both books – “Astrologia elettiva” and “Transits and Solar Returns” many many years ago… repetita iuvant!
Hi Ciro, here am I once again. I have to enter a surgery and I’d like to ask you if some planet positions of my RSM can be dangerous.
1. Saturn in the 9th house: could this indirectly mean that the procedure — which I would undergo in a city different from both my birthplace and residence — might lead to an unpleasant outcome?
Mars in the 4th house: Could this indicate a difficult hospital stay, thereby indirectly suggesting possible complications following the procedure?
Thank you, Ciro
Yes, Rose, the positions you mention could mean that. So, shouldn’t they be classified as ASR or ALR? Here’s the point: in Active Astrology, which is very different from esoteric or reincarnationist astrology or the like, we draw heavily from Judicial Astrology, from which we descend directly and without misunderstanding, but proceeding according to a scale of values.
Let’s give a practical example because, in my opinion, an example is worth a thousand words:
You say: Would it be better if Saturn were not in the ninth house if I had to travel far away for surgery?
And the answer could be:
Yes, Saturn in the ninth house would be better avoided in this case. But the question is flawed from the outset because you should have asked:
“I need to undergo minor surgery and I have to choose between keeping Saturn in the ninth house or placing Mars in the twelfth house: which is more dangerous?”
Or you might ask:
“I need to undergo minor surgery and I have to choose between keeping Saturn in the ninth house or placing the Sun in the first house: which is more dangerous?”
Or you might ask:
“I need to undergo minor surgery and I have to choose between keeping Saturn in the ninth house or placing a stellium in the sixth or eighth house: which is more dangerous?”
And I’ll spare blog readers another 100 similar examples.
But then, you might ask, to avoid starting off on the wrong foot and wanting to ask appropriate questions, where should I start?
From here:
http://www.programmiastral.com/download/bibliografia_completa_di_ciro_discepolo.txt
But by memorizing at least the 500-600 pages of “Transits and Solar Returns.”
Ciro, I had a doubt about the upon mentioned bad positions and I was right. I simply decided to put Jupiter in the I House and Venus in the II House hoping that this two good positions could help me. The problem is: have I to wait more and more years for a perfect ASR that perhaps would never arrive or accept the “medium” level of the actual ASR? Thank you
It depends on what you mean by average ASR level. People who have approached me have classified average ASRs in which they placed Jupiter within zero degrees of an AS, but then forgot to mention that they simultaneously activated four celestial bodies between the twelfth and first Houses.
Buongiorno Ciro,
Vorrei sapere cosa potrei aspettarmi da quest’anno se la RS la passo nel mio luogo di nascita e dove potrei andare per migliorare gli aspetti più complicati? Grazie per il tuo tempo
Paola 01/11/1972 Jesolo ore 23.20
Good morning, Paola. From what you write, I gather you’re in the early stages of learning about Active Astrology. This isn’t a stigma, but it’s important to keep it in mind.
Indeed, to answer your question comprehensively would require many hours and a significant amount of space on this blog, so I’ll briefly, but not simplistically, answer in a few points:
1) Your return will be in a few days, but we could say it will happen in a few hours… In this situation, you can’t freely choose and seek out the cusps, which are an almost absolute priority for this school. Let’s say that, also taking into account the difficulties of obtaining a visa, I recommend you travel to Mahébourg, Mauritius, and then, perhaps, in the coming months, you can have an expert explain to you the reasons for this choice.
2) You’d like to know what will happen to you if you have to stay home on your next birthday: this also requires a lot of work, but in summary, you can gain a lot of insight into this question by reading what it means to have Mars in the sixth house of Solar Return in my book “Transits and Solar Returns.” It won’t explain everything that will happen, but it’s a starting point.
3) How can you proceed from there? If you’re truly interested in a deeper study of Active Astrology and yours isn’t just a fleeting curiosity, then you can refer to this bibliography: http://www.programmiastral.com/download/bibliografia_completa_di_ciro_discepolo.txt and start from there. There are over 150 books, of which you should master at least ten:
– New Guide to Astrology (both volumes teach you how to construct a Natal Chart, even by hand)
– Guide to Transits
– New Treatise on Solar Returns
– Transits and Solar Returns
– Active Astrology
– The Great Treatise on Astrology
– New Dictionary of Astrology
– The Fundaments of Medical Astrology
– 50 Aimed Lunar Returns
– A Review of Astrology
Later, if you have studied for years and have reached a more than intermediate level of knowledge, you can consider taking even more personal courses to delve deeper into the subject.
Best wishes.
P.S. This is an international blog and it is necessary to communicate by English.
Good morning Ciro, thank you so much for your reply. I’m a complete beginner and will follow your advice. I always want to study. The biggest problem is that my passport has expired, and I don’t think I’ll be able to get it in time. I’ve tried many combinations, but when it seems right, I see that ASC R is on the 12th birthplace (Estonia, Lithuania), or other things that discourage me. Please suggest where I could go with these limitations. Thank you so much.
Good morning, Paola. I’d say you’ve made a big mistake!
Yours is an almost desperate case, but, as everyone knows, Active Astrology can’t yet achieve the impossible, but it can perform some miracles…
Let’s say you’re also out of the only option I’ve used over the last 55 years in rather desperate cases like yours: taking a direct flight from Paris to French Guadeloupe, a French territory in the Caribbean, where you can enter with just an ID card. However, in your case, it wouldn’t help at all because there, you’d be violating one of the 34 rules: three stars between the twelfth and first houses. Some confused astrologer might even tell you that’s fine, but if you ask me, I’ll tell you it’s not.
So what? There’s another option you can use, one I’ve already tried many times, and it works, if you really want it and if you’ll be moving within a few hours from now.
Book an appointment online with a cardiologist in Mahébourg. Then, as soon as he schedules your appointment for 2-3 days before your return, go immediately to the police station and request an urgent passport, bringing this documentation with you.
Surely, someone at the police station will tell you that there are excellent specialists in Italy and the Veneto region and that you don’t need to travel to Mauritius for treatment…
You’ll reply that Italian doctors are extraordinarily good, but that, since it’s your health, you want to consult this specialist about whom you’ve heard wonderful things.
In this way, they usually issue your passport within hours, as happened to my wife here in Milan a few months ago, for an unforeseen reason.
I’m sure you can do the same in your city. But only if you really, really want it.
Best wishes.
Dear Ciro I need to calculate the RSM for a friend who works in politics. He is born on 10.03.1955 at 1.15 am in Genova ( Italy) but he works outside Italy. this year I Think it is difficult to calculate good options. Thanks to My Astral I found this alternatives: 1 Cayenne ( Guyana Francaise),2 Cape Hooper (Canada); 3 Manado Sulawesi (Indonesia). Do you agree that the above are the best options? Which would you select and why for a politician?
Thanks for all your support
Vipsania
Dear Vipsania,
Cayenne is a good choice for your friend.
Good morning Ciro, thank you as always for your advice. I’ve considered everything and I really can’t do all this. I’d like to know your opinion on Sharm el-Sheikh: could it be a suitable landing site?
Good morning, Paola. A few days ago, on this page, you asked me how to access a higher education course in Active Astrology, and I replied that you don’t need one because you need to take a basic AA course first.
Your choice today confirms this to me, because it’s completely wrong. You’re not to blame because you’re new to this world, but whoever recommended it to you has… almost put their signature on it…
Leaving Italy to place Saturn close to the Midheaven is an “idea” that has already occurred to some people more than once, and then we’ve all read, even in this page, the results of such a reckless choice.
Just as the transit (we can’t avoid that) of Saturn conjunct the Midheaven is very harmful, similarly, going abroad to place Saturn close to the Midheaven is truly an unforgivable choice. Now you think it’s a good idea because someone convinced you it could avoid a long-distance trip, but it’s a completely wrong choice.
I am sorry.
Dear Ciro Thanks for your advise! I have another question. This year I am planning as per your suggestion to go to Namcy ( 80 km above Yakutsk). In this place I can have uranus in 10 , a stellium ( including venus) and ascendant in 5 and jupiter cuspis 11/12.
Also in My Natal chart I have jupiter cuspis 11/12. My datas are 17.12.1964 Rimini the time is not sure but your verification carried out during a seminar in Sant’Agata dei due Golfi was 16.43.
My question for you is the following. What shoul I expect from uranus in 10. I never experience it. Once I experienced mars in 10 ( my solar return of 2009 in Honolulu). It has been awfull. My first assistant decided to leave me to join my main competitor and She brought with her most of my team. I was pregnant at that time and very scared to lose my job. I saved it but i left my Firm and joined a new one. Is it uranus somehow like mars? I read that I should be prepared for big changes. These changes could be good or bad. Would jupiter between 11/12 ensure that are all good changes? What shall i do to direct uranus in the right direction? Thanks for any suggestion
Dear Vipsania,
I understand your concerns and can share some news with you in complete confidence: in the field of Active Astrology, I too am working on an old dream, that of being able to erase, perhaps, even just one planetary position within an ASR, and perhaps, in the future, I will succeed, with the help of Elon Musk…
You ask me, “Would Jupiter between 11 and 12 ensure that all changes are good?”: a psychologist would answer that your question conceals fantasies of power, but I’ll tell you, more simply, that no, it’s not possible to avoid all the inconveniences, even the minor and hidden ones, in an ASR. However, it is possible, on a theoretical scale of 1 to 100, to choose an ASR worth 80 or more points. Yours is worth 80 or more points, and regarding your last question (“How can I exorcise a Uranus in the tenth House?”), I suggest you follow the advice in my book “Active Astrology.” Best wishes.
Good evening Ciro,
I’d like to ask one more question about a surgery (regarding aesthetics and health at the same time). You suggest of course a specific good ASR and a specific good ALR and – in order to have more help from the stars – you suggest to plan the surgery in those days when Venus transits in the II House (possibly the cusp I/II but I don’t know my exact birthdate…).
The problem is that the day of the surgery Venus transits in the II House but also Mars transits in the II House.
1. Could that mean that the result is partially good from an aesthetical point of view?
2. If yes, which criteria would you adopt to change the date of the surgery?
Thank you very much…
Rose
Good morning, Rose. You’ve already answered your own question.
I wrote, and you mentioned it, that to plan a good surgery, you need to choose a plan that takes place within a good SR and LR.
In addition, I also recommend operating when Venus is moving into the second house (if the surgery is cosmetic) or the sixth house.
From what you tell me, you would have managed to achieve the first three conditions, which are essential. Then, if after the “whole numbers” there are some “decimals” that we can’t control, well, that’s OK too.
Ok, than you very much!
… just a last doubt about the surgery regarding both aesthetics and health. What do you think about putting Venus in the I House? Could it be the third option after Venus in the II and the VI House?
Rose, you already answered this in your question yesterday: I suggest, as a third choice, placing Venus on the cusp of the first/second House, and therefore, if it can’t be placed on the cusp, it can also be placed in the first House.
… ok, I’m a bit anxious about the surgery and I forget things that I already know. Once again many many thanks
Dear Ciro;
Hope this message finds you well.
Wanted to touch base with you and ask you if my solar return for next year on Feb 9th 2026 will be fine in Milan, Italy.
DOB: Feb 9th 1970
Place: Cali, Colombia
time: 3:20pm
Please let me know if this place is good based on your solar return gold rules, or if not, which places are more suitable for both.
Thanks a lot.
best regards,
Giancarlo
Dear Giancarlo,
no, Milan isn’t a good place. Next year, you won’t be able to pursue a good tenth House because that would put you in the first or twelfth house, and that’s not good.
The ideal location would be near Baker Lake, Canada, but I don’t know if that’s possible.
Baker Lake isn’t a good place because you’d have Uranus in the sixth House there, but if you could travel by helicopter, only then, I could calculate the geographic coordinates for you to place the entire stellium in the second House, Jupiter in the eighth, and Uranus in either the fifth or seventh House.
Start by getting informed, and then we’ll talk again.
Best wishes.
P.S. You can’t send out too many requests in a single day…
Dear Ciro,
Thanks for your advise, but looking to travel to baker lake looks almost impossible, what do you think about Winnipeg, Uranus will be in the 5th house and the stellium in the second house. But will have Neptune and Saturn in the 3rd house.
Please let me know if it’s good or any other place more suitable for travel.
Best regards
Giancarlo
PS sorry for the many requests, I was not able to input the info at this website.
Dear Giancarlo,
Winnnipeg absolutely cannot be a good choice because the SR AS in the sixth House of your birth is a serious violation of the 34 rules.
If you don’t think you can reach the place I suggested, then, for this coming year, I recommend you go to PAVLODAR, PAVLODAR (KAZAKHSTAN), where there are two points of excellence (Venus in the eighth and Jupiter in the twelfth), a Pluto in the sixth that doesn’t worry me, and a single point that needs to be exorcised (Mars in the seventh House) following the rules in my book “Active Astrology.”
Best wishes.
Dear Ciro;
Hope this message finds you very well.
Wanted to know if my solar return for me would be fine in Moscow, Russia:
Name : Maria virginia Correa
DOB : November 25th 1978
place : Cali, Colombia
time: 10:00am
Please let me know if this place is good based on your solar return rules, or if not, which place is better for me.
Thank you very much,
best regards,
Maria virginia
Maria Virginia, Saturn and Neptune in the sixth House won’t be easy for you, but they can be accepted under certain conditions. However, I recommend MOYALE (KENYA) over Moscow, because there you’d still maintain Jupiter conjunct the Midheaven, but add Venus on the first/second House cusp.
Best wishes.